Many here will be happy to debate you on the effectiveness and the numbers of people that are helped by the 12 steps.

I believe they work but not to the exclusion of any other program as the human mind is a complex thing and what works for one person may not be the answer for every.

I looked at your site and see that you take "flak" from other webmasters for expressing your anti 12 step views.

Here you will find that you are welcome as long as you are polite to our other forum members.

Happy posting,

Dan